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Committee Turns Focus Back on Boundary Study

The committee tasked with making a recommendation to the San Bruno Park School Board about school closures next year wants to ask the firm that completed a boundary study for the district to explore more criteria.

 

The controversial boundary study that first sparked debate about school closures in the San Bruno Park School District will be up for discussion at a meeting today.

The committee tasked with making a recommendation to the school board about possibly closing a school next year will be looking into whether to ask the firm that completed the study for the district, Total School Solutions, to explore more criteria when determining how school enrollment might change.

Initially, Total School Solutions laid out several options for maintaining similar enrollment at each elementary school once the sixth graders move to Parkside Intermediate next year. 

Taking into consideration the loss of sixth grade students, distance, safety and projected increases in students in the coming years, the study suggested different scenarios for how the school boundaries could change. The possibility of closing one or more schools was also proposed as an option. 

Now that the school board has decided to keep the boundaries the same, the committee is looking back on the previous criteria to see if it can help with making a recommendation.

Parents and residents have also lambasted the school district for not considering the socio-economic status and demographics of the students at a school, as well as a school’s academic performance and funding resources, when looking at school closures. The committee now wants to add socio-economic status and demographics as factors to the discussions.

Additionally, Superintendent David Hutt is expected to report back to the committee on several questions residents raised at the Feb. 7 meeting.

The questions were:

  • How would closing a school affect homeowners and their property values? And could the district face legal action from homeowners if their property values were affected?
  • What are the actual per-pupil costs at each of the schools, taking into consideration all staffing and all sources of funding?

Some residents were upset that the committee was being asked to consider each school’s operating costs without taking into consideration the cost of teachers and staff. Comparing costs without talking about salaries would be meaningless, some said.

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What is your main concern about the school closure talks? Tell us in the comments.

Michele Magni

7:57 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

This question has been going on for years now. I feel to save money you do need to close a school especially with the 6th graders now going to Parkside. This is just my opinion.

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Alfonso Esqueda

9:35 am on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

My recommendation is to sell the district office property. Take the money to finish phase 2 of parkside and build a second floor above the auditorium for a new district office on site at parkside. More staff shows more supervision for our kids.

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Joe Capote

12:13 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Kudos to this group for asking the right questions. It will be interesting to see what TSS comes back with in terms of property values. Other data points such as the breakdown of age groups by neighborhood and the cost of investment in green energy initiatives, such as solar, might prove useful.

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Chris Kiely

4:05 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Interesting questions. Hmmm. HOW do you take socio-economic questions into account? HOW do you factor in "funding resources"? Is this an auction? Been a curious debate recently. When we talk about school closure, then the ability of a particular site is discussed as though it is an "asset" to the District. On the other hand, when the discussion turns to funding "equity", sites start saying "don't touch our $$$."

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Chris Kiely

4:10 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Not sure how staffing costs can really be evaluated. You have a certain number of kids at each site, and need a certain number of teachers. Pure $$ don't really tell the tale. Some schools have more senior (and therefore more expensive) teachers. However, if a school is closed, and staffing reduced, the teachers with more seniority will still stay, though there will be staff movement.
Also, extra costs like Special Ed and ELL will still follow the student, no matter what campus they go to.

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Bill Baker

6:12 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Chew on this for awhile --> If the SBPSD closes down a school then they should give the affected parents a $7500 - $10000 voucher each year for each child they have in the SBPSD so they can choose to hand the voucher in to the SBPSD and send their student(s) to another SBPSD school or use the voucher(s) to send their child or children to a private school.

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M Z

10:26 pm on Tuesday, February 21, 2012

"What are the actual per-pupil costs at each of the schools, taking into consideration all staffing and all sources of funding?"
This is a great question, I would love to see a detailed answer by the district. Some schools get additional funding due to ELAC, program improvement, etc. Since the district is now in program improvement, does this mean additional funds for all schools? Some schools do not get additional support (teacher aides for example) and some PTA (PTO) raise funds for this. I also want to know why the consultant considered the train tracks a hindrance but San Bruno Avenue (a section above 280 - no sidewalks) and Skyline Blvd. (no sidewalks) not a hindrance when coming up with the "suggested" boundary lines last year.
Bill, $7,500 to $10,000, are you suggesting giving parents more than the school receives per child each year? Where will the district come up with the additional money? I did not know this was legally possible in California.
Chris, when you talk about equity funding? Are you talking about PTA (PTO) funded items, funding based on individual school status, in general or what?
Solar, I really hope the districts decision to do solar at all schools (including the school(s) that may or may not be closed) works out.
I like the idea of selling the district office location, no solar to dismantle, drawback is that the district office location is very small site.

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Bill Baker

5:28 am on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Perhaps not legally possible at this time, maybe not economically feasible using those numbers. However, a good starting point for a voucher discussion. The SBPSD takes in about $25 million to $27 million in annual revenue. The SBPSD has about 2,500 students. It might be more cost and quality effective to give the parents vouchers and let them decide where they want to send their children to school. You pare down the jobs and infrastructure in the SBPSD in direct proportion to the number of parents who want to leave the SBPSD and send their children to private school. I'm quite sure that sooner or later, we will see the voucher system enacted.

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Chris Kiely

4:11 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

MZ: the equity discussion I mentioned is something Trustee Blanco raised at a recent Board meeting. It concerned PTAs/PTOs funding extras at a site, that other schools didn't get. The general response was that the District should keep its hands off of site raised $$. Fair enough....
On the other hand, in meetings discussing school closure, folks want a school site's skill and track record at fundraising to be considered an asset to the District, and, thus, a factor in choosing between sites.
Personally, I'm not in favor of forced sharing, for many reasons. I just find it ironic that the same issue, school site fundraising, is represented in such different ways.

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Chris Kiely

4:28 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Not sure how the consultant came to the decision to factor in ECR and the tracks, but not SB Ave or Skyline. Last night the committee requested Skyline be factored in. Not sure how it will impact the maps. The committee wants maps for all possible school closures (even if unlikely) and for any of the schools up the hill, I'm not sure how you could close one without having kids crossing Skyline or SB Ave, or Sneath.

Joe Capote

4:39 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Good points, Chris, but if what you say is true, the PTA's/O's can't have it both ways. One one hand, the SBPSD should keep their hands off the money, no equity policy. However, when it comes to school closure, it is suddenly a district asset and should be a factor. There is simply too much gray area. Personally, I believe that the skill and track record of a PTA/O's fundraising should not be a factor of any school closure discussion. As far as equity policies are concerned, if they can work for big money powerhitters like Burlingame or Belmont-Redwood Shores, they can work in San Bruno.

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Chris Kiely

4:44 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

From my viewpoint, the scope of this committee's task is sadly vague. They were given criteria to apply. Those criteria can be read broadly. Nevertheless, each factor seems aimed at choosing WHICH school should be closed. None of them are particularly relevant on the subject of whether ANY school should be closed.

In one sense, that is appropriate. The real decision on whether to close any school lies with the Board.

On the other hand, there has been NO clear statement from the Board that it needs to close a school. So there are lots of folks coming to committee meetings asking "why are you closing a school?". If the Board had made a clear statement, or given clear reasons, then people could take that issue up with the Board.
Sure, even if that happened, there would still be lots of arguments about what to close, and no one would be "happy" about it. But at least you wouldn't have a whole bunch of folks felling like no one will give them answers to very, very important questions.

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Heidi Beck

5:38 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

The criteria are so vague, I don't know how anyone is supposed to interpret them. When I hear that the closure should be "least disruptive," I think about things like how families without a car are going to get their kids to school, especially since there is no bus service. Yet last night at the meeting a couple of committee members were talking about disruption referring to programs. This is just one example of how one criterion is open to interpretation -- and there are multiple criteria, so factor that in ...
Other criteria, like proximity to city services in case of disaster, aren't even on the table.
Last night Dr. Hutt said closing a school would not save enough money to make up the budget shortfall, so of course people ask why close a school. (And from some of the questions in the audience, it's also clear a lot of people have no idea about how school funding works, nor do they seem to read the paper or online news about what's going on in Sacramento).
As for how much money a PTA/PTO raises, that -- in my opinion -- should be off the table. That depends so much not just on demographics and the economy, but on the kind of people who are willing to volunteer -- sometimes a PTA has a dynamic group that really knows how to bring people together, and other years the core group is too burned out to do much or too cliquish and turns people off.

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Martin Ricard

5:43 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

I'm going to come completely out of left field and ask another question that I don't think has been asked yet with these school closure discussions. Since a possible school closure would affect the entire community, not just the school district, why hasn't anyone brought in some of the city government or business leaders to this discussion?

I know the committee and the district have a lot on their plates, but perhaps those missing perspectives could give the school district new ideas for how to fund public education in San Bruno. The San Bruno Education Foundation tries to raise money for the schools, but I keep hearing it's not enough.

So why not reach out to YouTube or Walmart.com or many of the untapped businesses that call San Bruno home? They may not have listened before, but maybe they'll start listening now once they see how the whole city could be affected (positively or negatively).

Also, why doesn't the school board bring up the idea of a bond measure or parcel tax again? A parent brought this up last night, and the idea got some support from Dr. Sanchez.

If the funding was there, it seems like school closures wouldn't need to be discussed anymore. Just my two cents.

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Joe Capote

6:06 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Good questions, Martin. And certainly worth discussion. The school board and the city have liasons to each other. They are scheduled to meet regularly and these issues should be communicated and continually discussed. If the messaging is not getting across, than there is a disconnect that needs to be addressed. I agree that the district and city government should be discussing these issues more openly.

The Chamber of Commerce has made progress in reaching out to our larger business leaders. You are correct, Martin, in that they have community outreach programs and need places to fund resources. The chamber CEO, board and staff is actively working to continue to establish a relationship with these businesses.

A parcel tax or bond measure may work - if it is specific enough. I think people would be open to issues like instructional aids, classroom size reduction and other direct benefits in the classroom.

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Heidi Beck

7:25 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

And who is going to do that outreach to the businesses? Is there anyone who has the skills who is going to volunteer to be a grant writer? Because I don't see the district having the money to hire a grant writer. Many businesses offer grants or matching programs, but it's not always that simple to tap into that money. When I was a music boosters officer at Parkside, for instance, one parent was able to get the program a sizable donation from her company for the hours she volunteered -- but it took many, many emails and phone calls and faxes until we finally got the donation. Companies don't just give money away -- it has to fit into their program of charitable giving, and that is designed to boost THEIR bottom line.
As for a bond measure or parcel tax -- in this economy it's going to be hard. And even with the support of many parents and community members, it's really hard to compete against ignorance. And although some people are willfully ignorant, mostly it's just that school finance is really, really complicated and hard to comprehend. I can't tell you how many people still think the lottery is some huge windfall for the schools, and at the meeting last night it was clear even parents with kids in the schools have no idea was revenue limit vs. basic aid means, or what the mid-year trigger cuts are, or what's on the ballot in November.

Bill Baker

10:52 pm on Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Martin, you are showing your hand here. If you think the SBPSD needs more funding, why don't you open up your checkbook and write a big check to the San Bruno Park Educational Foundation (SBEF)? It is a fact that the numbers aren't there to pass a SBPSD bond measure requiring a 55% yes vote. The probability of the SBPSD getting 66-2/3% of the voters to pass a parcel tax is also not real high. Perhaps you could share your political strategy for winning a parcel tax measure in San Bruno?

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Chris Kiely

11:32 am on Thursday, February 23, 2012

One of the problems with fundraising (either publicly through taxes, or privately, through donations) is that people want to know what they are getting for their $$$. People can add. If there is a $960,000 budget deficit, folks know that a $1,000,000 parcel tax isn't going to get them anything new.
So will they vote for the $$ to just keep things the way they are? Depends on whether they like what they are getting, or whether they think that would just be "enabling" the Board members and Administration that have steered the ship to this point.
San Bruno keeps voting the same folks in, so the voters must think things are just fine. I disagree.

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Bill Baker

1:22 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

From a financial standpoint, the SBPSD Board and Supe have a very narrow range of choices for solving the SBPSD's financial problems. By not passing Measure O, the voters in the SBPSD have assisted the Board and Supe by narrowing those financial choices even further and providing the SBPSD Board and Supe with more specific direction as to how they want to see financial matters handled in the SBPSD. I trust that the elected officials on the SBPSD Board have gotten the message and will make the appropriate financial decisions for the SBPSD that reflect the result of the Measure O vote.

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Heidi Beck

1:59 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

LOL, you trust them now, Bill?

Bill Baker

2:18 pm on Thursday, February 23, 2012

Heidi, as I said, I trust that the elected officials on the SBPSD Board have gotten the message. If they haven't, we can use the appropriate legal and political tools to deal with them.

Trust everybody, but cut the cards.

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